Corporate vs. Minorities

[Music] Hey everybody it's legal Queen La and we are back again with another episode from the royalty room um I am super excited today because uh we have a very special guest who is another attorney friend of mine who's going to tell us about her life as an attorney a woman a minority woman attorney as well as just entering into the sports agency realm let's go ahead and introduce Miss Jennine hi guys my name is business attorney and I also just recently became an NBA agent so we have so much to talk about um I kind of wanted to center this episode around the "corporate world" um especially the corporate law world because as we've been working as attorneys for a couple of years now what are you on like 5, 6 or? Girl, 6! Yeah okay so you're entering 6 I'm entering 4 and it has been a journey to say the least um and it's not easy for a lot of reasons um you know obviously law school is really difficult the bar exam is really difficult the character and fitness tests that most people don't know about is even more difficult um and then you add being a young person entering the industry a woman and a minority and I feel like you know there's kind of a lot against us in entering the world of the attorney what do you think definitely yeah no I definitely agree you said three things like the age then being a woman and being a minority that's three things already um I feel like for me personally it's definitely been a struggle um as a minority woman uh when I first entered the firm life I worked at a big Law Firm um I would go to depositions or other law firms and people would assume that I'm a secretary or a paralegal um so that was always like something interesting to kind of like just see you know how people's perceptions play into it um it didn't really bother me but it's just like we need to change this like we really need to work hard to change this narrative that Minority women can't be in these fields um so yeah absolutely I definitely agree um even going back to law school I spoke about this on my last episode you know trying to get into this world and like conform to and mold into to what they want us to be um it got really difficult for me because we started you know on-campus interviews I don't know if your school did that um this one time I had a lot of interviews and one of them in particular I'll never forget he sat across from the table from me in our law library and I had my nails not this long because you know back in the day we kept them short and cute but they were bright ass pink and he stared at my nails from the start of the interview to the end of the interview and he was probably like 75 years old white man on the coast of Florida you know what I mean and I still got a call back for a follow-up interview I went to the firm and it was back in my hometown so it was like two hours away and they put me into a couple of different rooms with a couple of different attorneys they wanted me to kind of do like mini interviews yeah and there was this younger white male attorney and I will also never forget how uncomfortable of a situation it was um he asked you know oh how many brothers and sisters do you have where do your... where are your parents from are they still together already a strange a lot of glistening um but once he got enough information to gather and make like judgments about me this man um look me dead in the face and said "how many baby daddies does your mom have?" no he didn't right hand on the Black's Law Bible I will now I would never forget that in my life um and that was I think it was my second year of law school so I'm not even like to that point where I'm like all like this is it this is my career or nothing so I was just like Florida is different I don't think they can even ask those questions in California! what do you say to that?! and so I was I think I was only like 20 years old so I'm just like uh... 3! which like I mean come on, it's 2023 probably back then it was like 2018 but still I was so offended and I went home and I was just confused um I was so uncomfortable and I just felt so I I told my dad and he went off the handle you know it kind of went back to school like I'm going down there to talk to the teacher! um and that kind of got me back to the point where I'm just like okay maybe I do need to not tell people stuff about my life and that was my dad's take on it don't tell anybody anything about where you come from etc etc and that is kind of the the thing that's grown to be acceptable like don't tell people where you come from because they're going to use that against you yeah or like tone yourself down um kind of what you were saying about you know just having to look a certain type of way I remember when I was I think I was in my first year of law school um and we were doing interviews with judges like for externships judicial externships um so if like you want to get into litigation that's like the thing that you do in law school you could work for a judge and um I remember going to the interviews and the career counselor was like oh so I remember to wear your like hair in a tight bun like a low bun because I would always have this high bun like Kim yeah um so actually my law school friends called it the obnoxious bun haha, but anyways he was like wear a low bun pearl earrings pearl necklace and a skirt suit like a skirt suit you can't wear like damn pantyhose I'm sure? yes of course and I was always like that became a thing for me because I love wearing pant suits. let me take my coat off let me get my shoulders out because I'm feeling ugh I was always like I love pant suits, it's like I just feel like it's like I feel bossy in the pants! hell yeah. um and they're always like yeah I just wear it like a feminine like you know skirt suit your uh skirt has to come like below your knees I was just like this is crazy like I mean yeah the judges are like the judges that I interviewed with are probably like in their 60s yeah but I was like damn like we're still in like this was like what I don't know 2014-2015. right but still it's like damn.. like a dress code is fine like decorum like yes have some decorum but it's just like we're in the 1920s still? because y'all want me to be in the workforce... exactly! but y'all don't want me to wear the clothes that I want to wear that are still professional oh my gosh.. and even like not being able to wear pants, so then that became like a mental thing for me because I did get the externship like okay I'm always gonna have to wear a skirt suit like on an interview yeah that's crazy and it reminds me of my friends and I don't think that she's going to be upset that I tell this story because this is like really scary like it's really just scary um she was doing a summer internship and so the way that I Works in law school is uh basically if you get a an internship for the summer summer associate ship whatever it may be you can get hired there after you take the bar you know pending you get your license so it was one of those types of situations and it was at a a big firm um well a big company on their corporate uh law side and there was one day where she went in and she's wearing her her legally blondes uh Pink Suit and she I think she took a picture she posted it on her story it was just in the bathroom she's doing nothing wrong it's probably like on lunch or or afterward whatever and her someone at the firm saw it next day they get to work and they get on a zoom presentation or something and her picture is on the zoom presentation about basically decorum what and how it's inappropriate to wear these colors how it's in a pro her hair was inappropriate you know what her hair was what was her hair it was like braids or something that was so inappropriate huh not even natural... out... curls... oh my God no I can't I cannot I cannot and so okay we have the we have the 1st problem y'all are mad that I'm wearing pink and not gray or black or white or maybe beige "Naturals!" um 2... okay now I can't post pictures in the from the bathroom because that's against the rules I don't whatever three now you come in for my crown?! yeah that's insane that is insane well first of all in California there is The Crown Act which makes it illegal to discriminate against your employees for their natural hair, which it was just the past like a year or two recently! yeah like thank you California you were super progressive super you know we're making strides in in diversity um but like that story and this was within like the last two years that story is so upsetting and of course she was the only woman of color on the entire legal staff and she was the only person of color in like her specific like section or or whatever and so that like oh God corporate law versus minorities! why why do I want to deal with that?! and that's the other thing like I remember a time when I was um I used to work for a big firm too and I remember like I just started working there and I have an Instagram account that's private so one of my co-workers like she followed me or whatever and then I remember I went to the Beyonce concert okay you better go to see Beyonce so this was like a few years ago and she um she showed my Beyonce concert outfit to our HR person I'm like why would you show my private Instagram to our corporate manager but okay so then like that became a thing like oh she wore this to the Beyonce concerts I know exactly and I was like Miami or somewhere for the weekend but it was this thing like oh she travels on the weekends oh this is what she's wearing outside of work and I'm like I'm a person I'm like I'm a person outside of just being a lawyer um like what I can't you know have a good time on the weekends or dress how I want right and that became a thing for me where it's like no I don't want to conform to this like mold like I want to be myself and then eventually like for other reasons um I you know started my own Law Firm but it's just yeah it's definitely hard to be in those settings those corporate settings um because I was definitely gonna I was definitely just gonna ask you about that but I I forgot to mention that in that interview that baby daddy um stare at my nails interview they ended up calling me and offering me the position but in a different location and I was I was just like oh my gosh I got this job and I come and I tell my dad um I got this position from that situation and he was like oh yeah that's that's great are you gonna take it I was like well I don't know it's in such and such area and he was like so they sent you to the office in the Hood wow and it was like in a different city I didn't know like much about the city so my dad's like so that's what they did they want you because your resume is good and you you are intelligent but because you look like this and you talk like this and that was you know your life story they're sending you over to the ghetto office and I was just like oh I'm not taking the job because guess what I don't want to work in a place where I'm uncomfortable yeah I don't want to work in a place that thinks it's appropriate to talk to people that way or inquire those types of weird ass questions um I don't want to work with or for people like that yeah and I feel like with what you just said like I feel like that's why I don't want to climb the corporate ladder because it's one ladder it's literally like I'm gonna go over here on the other side of the house and build my own ladder yeah and it's going to be pink and it's going to have rhinestones on it like my you know cute little cups if anyone wants one, send me a DM! um thank you and you know we got the the starbies on the other side uh but yeah like and I think that that is the issue that's facing most new Young cute fun Brown attorneys because we're all coming out into this corporate world that we one- feel like we don't fit in it at or we're we're discriminated against or where we're questioned and we have to work 10 times harder than the other person to even get the same opportunities so we come over here and start building our own ladder and I don't know if that's... it's a great thing because I do I do what I want you know what I mean it's a great thing but why should that be the only option like why, why do we have to like infiltrate this other like arena and then be told to shut up sit down and work 100 hours a week and wear a black pant suit Monday through Friday 9 A.M to 9 P.M but.. don't forget casual Fridays you can wear jeans on Fridays! only if they're not pink if nothing's pink you can wear it on a Friday um yeah I don't know I think to your point there's like two sides to it because for me it's like I didn't leave um you know the law firm the big Law Firm life because of the restraints for me was more like I didn't like how they did like other stuff in the legal you know at law firms like the marketing and just like Client Services I feel like when you're at a big Law Firm you don't really get that interaction with clients yeah so I started out in like business and IP litigation and then I went to a music law firm and then I started my own firm and I just saw the difference with like even a boutique type of law firm versus a big law firm and they're just so structured where it's like there is no room for you know like implementing new marketing ideas or taking on a certain type of clients so... and even if you try it's like no it's yeah all hell breaks loose. exactly so for me it was like the times are changing we're in 2023 now like it's going to be so different even in 10 years like you know we have yeah AI all these other things that we'll talk about but it's like it's just so different where it's like we can't you know always be doing the same cycle as far as you know like how law firms practice so for me it was like okay I want to do something different but I will say like with minorities and just being in that corporate world it's like you have to be a certain type of personality to be able to like you know withstand that, because for me it was like I can do it but maybe I don't want to do it. I have minority friends who are women who are at large law firms or big corporations but they definitely have to tone themselves down yeah um so I feel like if like it all comes down to your personality and what you kind of want out of life um do you want to do your own thing then you know you're gonna have to figure it out and it's like I'm blessed like I'm glad that we're blessed enough to have that opportunity like in 2023 because like 20 years ago we couldn't have done what we do now but still it's like it has to change from the bottom. yeah... do you think like it's do you think it's good or bad necessarily that so many uh younger attorneys and attorneys just coming out of law school are either wanting to start their own firms right off the bat or feeling like they have to like do we think that's like a good shift or? so for me like I never felt like I had to like I like when I was in law school I never thought I would have my own Law Firm. same! yeah right! I I told my I told my first boss I was like I love you and what you do and you are great I never want to be you! yes, like I never wanted like I know like that was never even a thought so I feel like I wasn't forced to do it it was more like this is what I need to do if I want to be happy as a lawyer just because I've worked at firms and I was like I just did not like the structure I don't really like the authority I don't like being told what to do I don't like working for 12 hours I want some billing a million hours like I just didn't like it yeah um so for me it was like this is what I want to do to like preserve my sanity um but I feel like it's a good thing if people want to do that straight out of law school and if they have that confidence you know yeah I definitely couldn't imagine it but I think um so I got my license 3 months before the pandemic started uh no not even 2 to 3 months and you know um a lot of people end up losing their jobs and you know nobody was hiring anymore because nobody knew what the world was going to be like and so I ended up like you know I keep getting I'm getting clients I'm getting clients on my own I'm doing my own thing I'm gonna I'm gonna start my Law Firm I... I have to actually start my Law Firm because timing nobody's hiring yeah I'm not going I I lost the first job because the world shut down and who knows if the world's gonna come back up. yeah. ever so I might as well you know make this official do what I can build my own clients etc etc and eventually you know after you know I was just like wow really need like colleagues and outside because you know because you're in that living at home I'm quarantined with my sister with my dog with the cat you know I'm I'm by myself working I'm working by myself I'm going to do like everything was just so suffocating I had to get back out and I had I went back to a firm and then I went to another firm and it wasn't until maybe August of last year where I was like you know what I'm going to fully invest in myself because now I want yeah to have my own firm now I want to do these things and and really go hard for myself with everything I've gathered everything I've learned and I now I can do it the pandemic obviously made it easier for everybody to work remotely everybody to start their own business yeah definitely so that was great um so you know it's like the the up with the down the good with the bad like it really sucks at first but that's a crazy timing yeah yeah here we here we are you know we talked about starting our own firms and stuff and now you have just gotten your sports agency, NBA agency license!! yeah um so I wanted to talk about kind of like the entrance into becoming a lawyer what that experience was like versus the entrance to now into the agency world um what are the differences? you know what was the process like, comparatively? uh well becoming an attorney as you know um you know we go to law school while we graduate college and then we um take the LSATs, I'm like I can't even remember this is so long 10 years um we'll take the lsats and then you know based on our scores and GPA we applied to law school got to law school, got into law school and then law school was three years typically unless you're doing like an evening program um or part-time but yeah typical three years and then you take the bar so law school like you mentioned in the previous episode like law school is very hard it's harder than most people think um just because it's you know like pressure of just having to learn something totally new plus also a very rigorous structure so you go to law school for three years you take the bar and you hope and pray that you pass the bar because the bar honestly the hardest part of law school for me was the bar yeah yeah exams aren't fun but the bar was like it and it's messed up because it's like you get to law school and you have to unlearn everything you ever learned to study for law school exams and then you have to you get to the bar and you have to unlearn everything you learned for the Law School exam so learn stuff for the bar exam! exactly so yeah it was it was insane um but then yeah once you pass the bar you pass your moral character and fitness exam front you're filing an attorney and it's like it's the best feeling in the world because you've worked so hard um for to become an agent it's much more simple um thank God yeah thank God praise the Lord uh like for attorneys I would say teaser um or then you have to have uh experience in the sports okay so if you don't have either it's harder um I don't know if you have to take classes but if you're an attorney you automatically like surpass like this step one yeah okay so you don't have to have experience of working at an agency or in the sports which is great.. right um so yeah so you have to take an exam you first you file your application it's um like a two-month window one two month window every year so they do the exam only once a year um you submit your application, they do a background check, you pay the fees and then you wait uh to see if you get to sit in the exam, um you study for the exam it's nothing like the bar thank God so, it's definitely easier um but you for someone like me who doesn't know that much about like the sports rules like the NBA you know like the agreements and all that um it definitely was like a new language once again where it's like I had to learn a whole new topic um but yeah I studied and then I took the exam. it's an open book exam but it is hard because you have to get like I think it was like 84 or 85% so you pretty much have to get like almost everything right on the exam how long do you have to study between um getting accepted for the exam and the actual exam or how long can you study I mean I think you can study like you know even before you submit but I think it's about like three or four months three months maybe. okay yeah so that's the most to the bar prep study that's like a a three plus month period as well um I guess you could start studying like at any time and then just submit the application. did they give you like here are the materials for our organization or where did you you know gather your own materials your books and stuff? yeah so they give you um you know the agreements so basically like you know like the MBPA and the CPA uh which are the documents that you need to know um and the regulations the rules all that but the exam isn't like only based on that so basically it's like the concepts that you have to learn but they provide a course um like there's a course that is provided kind of like a bar prep kind of yeah like a NBA agent exam bar course um or a prep course and then you just sorry that I didn't finish it all the way but but congratulations!!! um that's super exciting I think you you said it's well it hasn't even been two months yet so yeah I think this is my third month Cheers! Cheers! yeah I'm very excited to move into the sport so right now I'm like taking meetings and meeting with people and just kind of seeing how I want to you know formulate the agency like do I want to join an agency do I want to start my own do I want to join other people or agents right so figure it out in that world you can just as soon as you get your license you're automatically an agent you could be you know a freelance agent? yup! you don't, okay. so that's a cool thing too kind of like an attorney I feel like it's, I mean, for sports I feel like it's less scary in a way um but yeah you can you know represent if you have a player already you can represent them on your own you can join an agency you can you know partner with other agents so I definitely like the options Freedom yeah that's pretty cool um so if you had uh gotten your license and you had someone that was like just just drafted to the NBA it's your little cousin or or someone you grew up with you could automatically like sign them as soon... that's so exciting yeah it really is and um I think actually that Kyrie Irving his stepmom is or was his agent. I love that! and that's cool like okay I'm gonna work with my family member so yeah uh yes so you're doing um NBA do you have any plans or is it possible to work in all of the other professional organizations? yeah it is so um I do plan on getting my NFL and NBA certification as well um it is kind of pricey though because you have to pay $2,500 to apply um and then $2,500 um $2,500 for each year oh wow they're actually an NBA they're up to $7,500 depending on how many players you have yeah but so if you had if you have five players versus if you have a hundred players the fees go yeah but it's every year and then um even also when when you apply you have to pay wow so it's if you have all three it is kind of pricey every year and does your uh since your license for the NBA does that also transition or transfer into the the WNBA world? no you have to apply for another certification I think it's not as hard because it's also the NBA but you have to like sell file for another certification, same with the NCAA working in the legal field for a couple of years and now entering into the uh Sports realm um or the agency realm versus entertainment what is I guess your favorite part about both or your least favorite part? good question um with the legal side I like the fact that I have um like dope clients know because I got to kind of choose who I work with um I work with entertainers and creative people so I enjoy my clients and kind of seeing what they're creating and just being a part of that um but as a lawyer obviously like the time management side and just dealing with all the background stuff all that um yeah it's probably still my least favorite um I'm excited about the sports side just because it's a little different as far as like the deals like when you're a lawyer you have stuff constantly coming up um in the sports it's like okay you negotiate the deal or however many years it is and then you know like once it's done it's done um and then on top of that you have like the NILs now and all the other marketing and brand stuff that you can work on but I like the fact that it's like okay you work on this large contract you want to get your client the best deal but once it's done it's a place for you know quite some time and then obviously you know you try to work with your client and make sure that all their interests are protected like overall like during the season but I just like the idea of like kind of being able to focus more um on like a bigger picture and then just kind of you know managing it versus having like buyers to put out honestly and rules and everything exactly um you mentioned NIL, um can you explain a little bit about what that means? yeah so that's the name image and likeness agreement so basically um if you've seen like you know all these athletes getting bigger brand deals um so College athletes now can actually get paid um you know to endorse, endorse Brands. how do you feel about that? I like it I love it for them honestly because I just feel like it was not great that they had to wait so long you know to be in the NBA to be actually making great money so I really like the fact that College athletes can get paid I feel like college sports like is almost more like more invested into in like people's time you know like I feel like everybody could say they oh I like the Celtics or I like the Lakers or whatever but I feel like people are like more like heavily invested into like college sports. oh yeah definitely definitely. so it's like why if everybody in America is betting on and and watching and and invested in all of these students and athletes that are on college teams, why shouldn't they be able to profit off of their own name? exactly exactly! so I'm really happy that that's you know in place now like it's gonna be a lot of opportunities for both women and men absolutely I agree because it's you know athletes all across the board not just basketball what what do you think um maybe the most challenging part about breaking into the agent world of sports or entertainment industries? with sports I do still feel like there aren't that many women um I love the fact that it's still corporate shorty I love the fact that agent, Nicole Lynn was able to you know like have the one of the biggest deals in NFL which Jalen Hurts like that's so motivating to me yeah um but it's definitely a very very male dominated industry um and it's also like so many big sports agencies that still like run the game, so I guess just like entering in and being able to like build a name for yourself and just you know rise in the ranks. so like I know um like with the bigger agencies do you mean mostly like CAA UTA WME? yeah like obviously clutch um yeah all these bigger agencies that represent a lot of players yeah um so dominate the industry I feel like in the NBA is the NBA the the area where it's like the least amount of players that get signed? yeah NBA's way less than um NFL, NFL has more players but it's uh like less guarantees and then um you know all contracts aren't as big like in the NBA they are like bigger contracts as a whole okay by a lot less players, and what would you uh say I guess for anyone who wanted to get into um the legal field or that wants to transition over into the agency field or just go straight into agency? um I think kind of it depends what you want to do like if you're set on Sports um I would say just go the agency route, um I have a lot of like homeboys from law school who became lawyers and then now they're agents um but they kind of knew always they always knew that they wanted to do sports so I guess being a lawyer gives you that advantage of being able to negotiate under that contract um but I almost feel like you probably could do that without being a lawyer and then just hiring a lawyer to do that stuff to look over contracts but I do I do think it's better like if you're already a lawyer then yeah why not expand if you're into sports yes but there's so yeah I was gonna say there's like so little women in the game um because I think there's about 800 NBA agents wow and I think like we had a conference and I think there's maybe like 30 or 40 women online well um it sounds like I'm just gonna go ahead and uh read up on some books Mrs Mrs whoever's next, not Dwight Howard anymore sorry honey that that ship has sailed um but I did have some good news I was doing a little bit of research into uh the diversity in the corporate law world and we have a new study or a recent study from Reuters and um here it is so we have, in California at least, women and minorities are gaining a little bit of ground but as you see white men still predominate because um you know we've spoke on it... the the law in and of itself is an industry that is you know it was created by and for um older white men and now here we are you know we have Kim Kardashian studying to become an attorney young, minority (argued to argumentatively um arguably I think is the word I was actually looking for) you know and woman so I used to get really angry when people would bring that situation up because I'm like she didn't go to college she didn't even go to law school and cry about taking the freaking exams like I'm just like no but I mean in California most people probably don't know you don't actually have to go to law school to sit for the bargain isn't it crazy terrifying! I, you know, if I grew up in California I probably would have went that route and been working in you know all the creative things that I like to do and then eventually after working for a law firm for a little while I could yeah four years you have to work for a law firm and then you can apply to sit for the bar, once you pass the baby bar that's the exchange in California if you don't go to law school you have to take the baby bar yeah and if you don't pass the baby bar you can't sit for the real bar exam. but it is still interesting because like if you I didn't know that it was four years um public apprenticeship or whatever but it makes sense because I feel like I didn't learn how to be a lawyer in law school. yeah! I learned when I started working exactly so it's like I guess yeah it makes sense I guess that's how it kind of used to be but um I bring that up because I used to get mad that Kim K was you know kind of just stepping into the field that we fought so hard to get into um and there's like we said there's a lot against us as being young people women people and brown people and she's all of those things and she's just like she's Kim Kardashian so it's making it even more I guess it's just a little bit harder for people to take us seriously yeah because it's Kim K and she's just stepping into the field yeah and I love Kim K yeah she's a hustler, she she does everything that she can and everything that she has done for her family and for herself and she is a boss period... but I did struggle with that for a while because it takes so much to get here and I felt like it was a shortcut you know but if it's allowed it's allowed, right, and I I pray that she's she's passing the bar whenever she did because she just passed the baby bar so she did it she's gonna be sitting um... but back to the these statistics um things are getting seeming to get a little bit better the most underrepresented groups in law firms are American Indians, African-Americans, and Hispanics no surprise there. no not at all. um but now uh I'm sorry Solomon, I keep going all over the place... but um in the routers report they said women make up 51% of California's adult residents and they comprise 44% percent of its lawyers which is uh higher than most of the rest of the world yeah or the country. Just in California? Yeah in California. It says we California has the second largest bar in the nation which means uh you know the the number of attorneys but Nationwide only 38% of lawyers are women um and in the 2020 class of new lawyers that just got their license they... I'm sorry 2021 nearly 1/3 are women of color (32%) men of color only made up 21% of the class, and then white women were 24% of the class. yeah so that's honestly it's it's better than what I had initially expected to look up and find um but do, like, is that is that enough I mean? it says another one Hispanics comprise 36% of California's adult residents but only 6% percent of its lawyers... wow that's really low! and black lawyers comprise 3% oh my goodness... in California? in California yeah. well that's that wow. okay so we're making we're making way as as far as being women yeah which I mean it's not 1923 it's 2023 so thank the Lord uh we could do what we want we could stay at home or we could go into the office okay um but this this uh minority report is really alarming yeah it definitely is um I just think it's like you know like just the resources and everything of minorities is/are lacking, you know it's even think about going to law school or being able to go to law school which is you know a vicious cycle what do you think uh what do you think we can do about that because I even even thinking back to law school there was probably only a handful of minorities in my class, well we had a pretty small I think our law school had 3 sections and each section had between like 80 and 90 students so uh less than 300 in the class and there's maybe like 20 or less black and brown folk? yeah right... hang out together and do all the things together because we're the only one I'm just too similar because yeah we had 4 sections in each year about 70 80 people and I think like I remember we counted one time it was like 5 black people yeah in one section and then maybe like 5 Hispanic people. and it was interesting because in mine like you know in in law school most people also don't know like you don't pick your classes the first year or maybe the first two depending where you went and so the entire year was like high school you're in the same classes with the same people for four or five classes all year round and it's just like I mean I maybe I like y'all but like damn can I breathe over here without y'all knowing what I ate for lunch oh my God the whole rest the whole past of the week like it was just it was overwhelming to me but you know of course we become a family after a year et cetera, et cetera but in the classes I can picture it in my head there was always like this center chunk of the class it was all the uh minority students just in this little box in the middle of the class and you know obviously we're all intelligent we're all smart we're all you know great but I remember this one day I was sitting in class and the guy next to me I'll never forget this and I know my friends when they watch this they're gonna know exactly I was talking about the exact time because I used to be I used to be a hot head I used to be very angry and very just in your face I've I've calmed down a lot in my um second half of my 20s but um he was like oh what what did they have for lunch today and I was like oh tacos like I have like I brought out my plate I was like oh I got tacos he was like oh yeah Mexicans love tacos and I was like uh first of all I'm not Mexican but I anyways and then I go about talking to my friend ignoring him completely go about talking to my friend and we just started talking about something random like maybe like taking a nap when we got home or something and then he was like he was like yeah um Spanish people love taking naps and I'm like what are you saying bro like what race was in he was pink he was pink because his face was pink okay and um it turned into because first he said Mexican and I'm like I am not Mexican he was like oh so you're from Spain what I'm sorry how how did you get in here why did they let you in here right like and it makes me mad because like even I grew up in Florida I went or I went to college in law school in Florida and like Florida is a very diverse place I feel like California is um mostly made up of Mexican and Asian cultures and then you have of course uh white and black but the black community is so much like smaller because California used to be a part of Mexico you know what I mean so but in Florida you have every country you have all of the island the Spanish islands all of the Caribbean islands all of you know Central America all of Miami is basically from a different country so I feel like it's very much more diverse there in terms of representation but even in Florida that's the the conversation yeah that's insane especially in like law school like people usually aren't that ignorant yeah yeah and I actually I didn't know that we were going to be talking about law school this much yeah but it was clearly a triggering experience for me there was also in my last year like this big like racial scandal um where this kid who he's he had always like caused a problem but every year like he kind of like finagled his way out of it of course um that whatever but he dressed up as O.J Simpson for Halloween and his girlfriend dressed up as Nicole what does he have black face so Ike wasn't at the Halloween party so I can either confirm nor deny because I don't remember and I'm not going to make up lies but that the costume was the costume he had the glove he had the football he was OJ she was Nicole they posted it on Instagram posing and cute and she was all like supposed to be dead and they go to the Halloween social because my law school I don't I don't really know what it's like at other places but my law school very much felt like um like high school like a small community so we would always have these socials and um he was just belligerent and she was belligerent and my my girlfriends were there and they got into a fight over the costume situation and it turned into a racial fight um n words were thrown all of these types of things and glasses were even thrown like again I wasn't there I'm this situation went on for like the entire rest of the semester because it was just such a big ordeal and no action was taken it's a it's a law school function you know people are offended they're taken aback you know and then um there I just I just got so out of hand and a bunch of people who weren't those two got in trouble for the reaction and for the the continued conversation and for the confrontation but they didn't get in trouble oh wow for what they actually portrayed and and the way that the fight you know broke out and the things that were said and done so it was just like it's just never been very much of a safe environment I feel like and it's it's very unfortunate because um I also think a lot of people getting into like law school and med school and those things now are um people that maybe in their families were the first yeah definitely generationally uh first generation in America maybe uh you know first professional degree of the family like so it's just upsetting it's a shame yeah it definitely is and I haven't thought about these things for a little while because you know we get so far removed from school after you know my new year I feel I feel like I've been out of school for like forever decades now but the last thing I wanted to mention Before Before I Let You Go is the craziness of AI artificial intelligence what does that go what are your thoughts where where are we going in these careers are they gonna take over our jobs no not yet oh yeah I'm cool with them taking over the self checkouts I'm cool with them taking over the the Wendy's line because they need to get get a little bit faster but now they're coming for us so I feel like there's still a long way to go um I actually attended a seminar about like copyright and Ai and all that because obviously that's you know that's a concern that a lot of artists have uh especially like with you know like the voice because voice usually isn't copyrighted protected by copyright right but now with like AI copying you know the voice and all that so that's been a whole dispute but as of now like AI is still they're still working on it so like the input and the output oh they were saying that it's just like not perfect yet so that being said it is going to be like a big thing in the copyright industry as well as the music industry because like they're gonna have to figure out licensing um and just protection protection in general and like making agreements with these AI companies as far as like you know what they can do and what they can do um so basically it's like important to figure the contracts and Licensing out at this stage um and you know before it gets too sophisticated um but with AI and like our jobs I think it's a long way to go I don't know if you heard about um the lawsuit in New York so basically there was a federal case where the lawyer um submitted a filing with a case law that like chat GPT had found but they're they were fake cases so I'm like what how did you not even like check this um and I just feel like chat like chat gbt is great for you know finding out information and preparing for certain things writing song lyrics yeah for example but with like legal you can't really use that like in the legal field yet yeah um I've done like I've tried a couple things just to see how it works and it also always says consult with your attorney I'm not an attorney like it it just isn't perfect like it can give you an outline but it can't input the legal analysis um or the facts and all that at least yet so we'll see what happens but I think it's going to take a little while for it to take our jobs well good because I need this one for now right um do you think like it could be um maybe like a good starting point to kind of direct you get your thoughts going whatever whatever you're researching whatever you're looking into do you think it maybe could be a good starting point or do we think we should stay away or um I feel like it can give you a good outline but that's kind of it like to me it's not like good enough where it's providing you know stuff that I can use I haven't tried the legal softwares the legal AI softwares I heard there's like some type of I didn't even know that that was a thing yeah some type of like contract type of thing but even with that like from what I've seen they're just never like foolproof because even myself lines like just finding some random um template online and just inputting stuff it typically isn't great it typically isn't uh you know protecting you yeah it would of course lawyer did it so it's just yeah I don't feel like people should upon it just quite yet okay okay um last let me ask you this last question um as far as and this is just a free-for-all as far as like creatives do you do you think that the AI is going to be beneficial as far as you know like brainstorming or scripts or or captions and different things like that outside of the legal realm I do think that creatively just because I know that like you know screenwriters they can kind of input their ideas and get a really good outline like I was talking to someone who did that um and I do feel like you know it gives you some type of some type of output like for whatever you're asking them so I do think that you can use that um in the creative Industries I don't know about songwriting but um yeah yeah is it is it plagiarism is it not plagiarism so that was the thing that the conference they were talking about like it's going to be more defined once we know like the input output because right now it's kind of like grabbing information for so many places but that's going to be like streamlined and worked on by these companies where it's not going to be infringement did they address um like you know how in school we would we would find someone's paper online or like you know copy someone something from the last class last year what he is is that plagiarism if we're doing our our homework questions with chat GPT or something of this word it can be it depends like it was like they were saying like it's so many gray areas right now because like the whole like input of the information into the AI yeah I was like how would you even know all over the place like that's the thing like it's it hasn't been like structured yet how would they know you know how will they know but it is it is scary though in a way to just like think about where we're going like where we're going to be in the next five years okay this is the last question do you think technology is going to destroy the world yeah it's probably like in 100 years yeah definitely I want to thank you so so so much for joining us in the royalty room we're super thank you we're super happy to have you um I want to say you know congratulations in your new career path or your additional career path um yes she really is doing that I love to see it you are um definitely an inspiration um to me and I'm sure many many many other people in law school out of law school just young young boss 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